tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3337042377966398742.post3258083698368822641..comments2024-02-22T07:47:22.661-05:00Comments on The Bathroom Monologues: Lady Kickass & Superman: Why Too-Good Characters Are Still GoodJohn Wiswellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07416044628686736927noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3337042377966398742.post-57363564911768010692011-09-27T23:49:51.085-04:002011-09-27T23:49:51.085-04:00Well I like larger than life characters, but even ...Well I like larger than life characters, but even if they are a hero, I think they become more exciting when they have to face a real challenge, and when we are shown that they are not perfect that makes the whole thing more interesting.<br /><br />PS: Batman is my favourite ^__^ he's a super hero and yet he has that brooding anger about his parents death that drives him on makes him colourful.Helen A. Howellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12748128819820230841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3337042377966398742.post-43024551530713133552011-09-27T23:38:49.948-04:002011-09-27T23:38:49.948-04:00Sheesh, it took me long enough to respond to comme...Sheesh, it took me long enough to respond to comments. My apologies. Spent most of today editing the manuscript. Couldn't let midnight come before responding to these thoughtful comments.<br /><br />Laura, happy to stand up for the good hero. I think it was Moses Siregar III who wrote a nice piece earlier this year on characters with ethics. I dislike the modern trend of every protagonist having to be some sort of crumby anti-hero or worse. I actually suspect there are some unsavory urges behind it. Not entirely, but they're there.<br /><br />Michael, glad to be on your good side this time. Anything that makes you think 'Mary Sue' is a problem, right? You defuse that issue by removing the many tools, or expanding the scope of challenges. In many modern Fantasy works, especially anime, you can create very popular ultra-handy characters by putting them at only one front of a conflict. And you're totally right that Superman has weaknesses. Some days it seems like they're more exploited than the weaknesses of we earthlings.<br /><br />I can enjoy characters who have lapses in moral judgment. I think it's the mark of a great writer who can make me deeply sympathize with a character whose mentality or morality I'd otherwise find repugnant. But I'm also interested in circumstances where she/he isn't purposeuflly doing the wrong thing, but doing the mixed thing, or doing the one good thing and living the consequences of not doing the other. Can these also work for you?<br /><br />Erin, on superhero faults, yeah, they are handy to have. Usually gives you some room for creativity in conflicts. But consequences - I think the real sense of consequence is something missing in a lot of superhero comics. Some Fantasy novel series also eventually struggle for appreciable scope, and punch themselves out on implied grandeur. I'm working diligently to avoid that in my book now.John Wiswellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07416044628686736927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3337042377966398742.post-80904645841767967052011-09-27T14:25:37.454-04:002011-09-27T14:25:37.454-04:00Erin,
Having read that series, Richard may have h...Erin,<br /><br />Having read that series, Richard may have had amazing powers, but most of the time he was limited in the use of them by either his lack of knowledge of how to unleash them, or he had them taken away (Mord Sith, Sisters of Light, Necci, etc.)<br /><br />In that case he had to rely on his natural intelligence and instinct, but again he was almost always in a situation that he was lacking the appropriate knowledge.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16518183823230864763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3337042377966398742.post-82503051501658621672011-09-27T11:16:39.918-04:002011-09-27T11:16:39.918-04:00Well put, John. Even the superhero has faults and ...Well put, John. Even the superhero has faults and weaknesses, but to take it a step further and display his character through tough choices and consequences is even better.<br />I'm trying to think why I liked Richard so much in Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth Series - he was definitely the superhero archetype...I might have to go revisit that character.<br />Thanks for the great insight, John.EChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09359075647077590741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3337042377966398742.post-79291930490696659802011-09-27T09:40:43.644-04:002011-09-27T09:40:43.644-04:00Today I'm going to be agreeing with you. Yes, ...Today I'm going to be agreeing with you. Yes, a Mary-Sue CAN be a problem, but it's only a problem if she has too many tools for the problem. Basically it doesn't matter how inhibited or awesome your character is, if they don't have real conflict, they are going to be boring.<br /><br />And I think that's why superman was successful. Sure he was...well superman, but he did have some weaknesses and they were exploited.<br /><br />Now getting to the moral side of things, (yes, I'm going back there slightly) I personally prefer a character that shows some lapse in moral judgement once in a while to let me know they are still a human, but I think that's just the literary snob part of me coming out.<br /><br />Thanks for the postAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16518183823230864763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3337042377966398742.post-35352032522604612972011-09-27T08:28:52.261-04:002011-09-27T08:28:52.261-04:00Thank you. It's refreshing to hear from someon...Thank you. It's refreshing to hear from someone not on the "good hero bashing" bandwagon.<br />Sometimes I want to read about someone larger than life. Isn't that a part of fantasy?Laura Enohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09982794146667832204noreply@blogger.com